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What is missing from no code?

Proposals of what's the missing piece of the no code puzzle ?

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on March 12, 2021
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    I just tried out about a dozen of the most common non-enterprise nocode tools. I looked at full-stack ones and at combos where frontend and backend are separate products. My use case is a complex multi step form with lots of IF/THEN conditional field logic that also needs to pull from / send to multiple APIs throughout the form traversal.

    I eventually gave up, as none of the tools I looked at offered what I needed. It’s possible that enterprise tools may offer the features I need, but I’m not paying $2k/mo to find out. With that, I consistently found the following issues in various combinations:

    • The most common issue by far: tools were not built for nocode users, but for developers who prefer not to write as much code. As a result, they kicked the can down the road when it came to UX (assuming every nocode user knows what a class is, or asking users to have a db up and running before being able to use the tool is just dumb ), etc.
    • Related: tools touting “nocode” weren’t nocode at all, as soon as I looked at having to do a few more complex things. The nocode piece was relegated to static landing page building.
    • Dropping the ball on frontend builder quality. Some of the stuff looked like it was made in 1995 and would require a ton of manual custom CSS. You might not think that’s s big deal, but detailed frontend stuff is one of the the most time consuming pieces in building sth.
    • Dropping the ball on backend functionality. You could design a nocode backend without the nocode user ever having to deal with it by offering a decoupled visual business logic layer and database designer (eg an ERD). I never saw any of that but know this is a differentiator for enterprise tools.
    • Related: business logic is either tethered to the frontend or the backend. Either variation is problematic. In fact, for my use case this was my biggest issue. I had all my logic spec’ed out in a large bpm with attribute-level logic, but had no clue how to implement it.
    • SPA: I needed this as I can’t have my users go through 50 page loads. Many tools don’t support SPAs such as those you can build using React or Svelte.
    • UI madness: there are a bunch of very intuitive builders out there for example for WordPress. None of the tools even seemed to have looked at them as a comp. The tools had too much functionality that I needed to wade through before I could even set up a frigging form. There was too little templating.
    • Related: many tools were mobile app only. Ironically, mobile puts lots of constraints and standardized requirements on UI components, which makes this part much easier. I wish some of that would’ve been available for web.
    • Vendor lock-in: I didn’t wanna risk my app being locked into the builder as is the case with bubble, for example.
    • Tools that really only work for static website building but you can’t tell until you start using them.
    • Lastly, to solve the above issues, I was looking for forums/documentation/videos. There was very little useful stuff, and I had to find it myself on the interwebs.
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      Hi @Phaedrus,

      Looks like you had quite a research done for your product.

      To completely satisfy the requirements you have, it's probably best to build from scratch without no-code.

      Personally I'd use a no-code tool to prototype a product (MVP) and validate the market need, or create simple automatic flows.

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    I guess logic is taken care of: Zapier, Integromat, Pabbly, etc.
    Database as well: Airtable, Google docs, Backendless, etc.
    The final frontier is a great UI that's simple for non-designers.

    I guess Webflow is a candidate, but I'd like more Softr-like competitors.
    Easier to edit, template-based, and possibly with a marketplace of themes.

    There's also missing advanced functionalities like native capabilities on those SaaS that do mobile apps: Adalo, Glide, V.one, etc.

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    A way to create a no-code project that can scale and affordably.

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      I would sugges to give https://drapcode.com a try. It has the capabilities of great UI design, along with the support of business logic, database and connection with 3rd party apps.

      PS: I am the product manager at Drapcode.

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        Hi Steven,

        I've just created an account. Looks promising from an eye bird perspective.

        I have to wait until you guys activate my account... which is a little bit annoying for almost any users. Why do you need this ?

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          Sorry, missed this somehow. Is your account still not approved?

          We have reached out to all the people individually who signed up.

          Thanks.